Transcript of Robert Armin's
online chat with
Mary Testa (November 3, 2003)

[Mary Testa transcribed her responses to Robert's wife, Kristine.  For the sake of clarity, most of the typos have been clean-up, but everything else remains as is.]

[RobertArmin] Good evening and welcome to the Fynsworth Alley chat room.

[RobertArmin] Tonight I am pleased to welcome two time Tony nominee Mary Testa.

[RobertArmin] Just last week Mary recreated her original off-Broadway role in Lucky Stiff.

[RobertArmin] That was Lynn Ahrens and Stephen Flaherty's first produced musical.

[RobertArmin] Welcome Mary.

[MaryTesta] Thank you

[MaryTesta] It's a computer lang

[MaryTesta] Land

[MaryTesta] Cyberspace

[RobertArmin] I should point out that Mary is sitting leisurely here while Kristine does the typing.

[RobertArmin] So blame KRistine for the typos.

[MaryTesta] LOL

[RobertArmin] And me, of course.

[RobertArmin] Let's start on early beginnings.

[MaryTesta] OK

[RobertArmin] When did you first decide you wanted to be an actress?

[MaryTesta] when I was in High school, I was trying to decide between being a lawyer or an actor

[RobertArmin] Same difference.

[MaryTesta] Yeah

[RobertArmin] So you were active in the drama department?

[MaryTesta] We didn't have a drama department in my high school

[MaryTesta]  It was all about Jocks

[MaryTesta] So I basically started a drama department

[RobertArmin] Where was this?

[MaryTesta] This was North Providence, Rhode Island

[RobertArmin] So what sort of theatre did you do?

[MaryTesta] In high school, none

[MaryTesta] I started a department soon before graduating, Jr. or Sr. year in HS

[RobertArmin] I see.  Did you then go on to college?

[MaryTesta] What happened was I got into a school that was very big in Rhode Island called the Governors School for the Young and Gifted in the Arts

[RobertArmin] And you were both -- young and gifted!

[MaryTesta] And that took place the summer before I went to college

[MaryTesta] Then, when I went to college, I majored in Theatre. I went to the University of Rhode Island.

[RobertArmin] Was your emphasis in musicals -- or in everything.  You are terrific in classical theatre, as well.

[MaryTesta] No, it was actually classical training

[MaryTesta] It was all new scripts.  I didn

[MaryTesta]  I didn

[MaryTesta] I didn't sing at all

[MaryTesta] I did a production of Antigone

[MaryTesta] where I was in the Greek Chorus

[MaryTesta] At one point we had to make musical notes

[MaryTesta] And people were blown away by my voice

[MaryTesta] JT Walsh was Creon in the production and was brilliant.  He just passed away a couple years ago.

[MaryTesta] So, I ended up doing a musical.  That is where I met Bill Finn

[MaryTesta] I did his musical in college.  He'd heard me in that production and wanted to use me.

[MaryTesta] It was called Scrambled Eggs

[RobertArmin] So this was before In Trousers?

[MaryTesta] Yes

[MaryTesta] I was nineteen.

[MaryTesta] The theatre had a Rockefeller grant to do ten new shows- eight plays and two musicals

[MaryTesta] I was the only student who was in leading roles in all ten shows.  I was very lucky.

[RobertArmin] So you really has a chance to show your versatility.

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] What "leading lady" did you get a chance to do?

[MaryTesta] I didn

[MaryTesta] I didn

[MaryTesta] I didn't

[MaryTesta] really do any of the leading lady roles

[RobertArmin] Troubles with the apostrophe Kristine?  LOL

[MaryTesta] but in Fog and Mismanagement, I sort of played a leading role, she was sort of a Gypsy

[RobertArmin] I had a similar experience in summer theatre playing all of the character roles.

[RobertArmin] But it's a great way to learn what you’re doing?

[RobertArmin] When did you turn professional?

[MaryTesta] When I moved here to NY, I was 21

[RobertArmin] And your first New York show was?

[MaryTesta] First NY show was In Trousers

[MaryTesta] But I got my equity card doing the Rose Tattoo at the Long Wharf Theatre

[MaryTesta] with an unbelievably all star cast, now that I think about it

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd asks:  What's going on with "Bingo"?  Are there any performances scheduled for the future?

[MaryTesta] I really don't know

[RobertArmin] What is Bingo?

[MaryTesta] Bingo is this little musical I did a reading of, it is a really fun piece.

[MaryTesta] I had done a reading of it a while ago, and they asked me to do another one.

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd adds:  I saw the reading and thought it was incredible!  I'd love to see it again.

[MaryTesta] Oh, Well with a little luck, they'll do the show

[MaryTesta] I don't know if I will be involved with it?

[RobertArmin] Mary, are you involved in any other developing productions that look like they might happen?

[MaryTesta] At the moment, not that I can think of.  Who knows, nothing tangible

[RobertArmin] What's this I hear about a new recording of Lucky Stiff?

[MaryTesta] Yeah, John Yap is going to do it

[MaryTesta] I understand he likes to include a lot of dialogue

[RobertArmin] Yeah, he loves to fill up the disk!

[MaryTesta] LOL

[RobertArmin] I love the Fynsworth recording of course (unpaid advertisement) but I always gripe about the fact that Stuart Zagnit did not get to do the album.

[MaryTesta] Right

[RobertArmin] Of course, I LOVE Jason Graae.

[RobertArmin] But...

[MaryTesta] As do I, he is a dear friend of mine

[RobertArmin] Stuart is my oldest friend in the theatre.

[RobertArmin] So I was glad to finally see you and him together again -- actually for the first time since I missed the original production.

[RobertArmin] For those who don't about know it, Lucky Stiff was recently performed as a "Mufti" concert at the York Theatre in NYC.

[RobertArmin] And it was terrific.

[RobertArmin] Let's get a major revival going soon!

[MaryTesta] (Nodding yes)

[RobertArmin] So, back to the early years,

[RobertArmin] You were a part of Bill Finn's In Trousers...

[RobertArmin] Which was the first of the "Marvin" trilogy.

[MaryTesta] And that's recorded

[RobertArmin] And you're on the original cast album, yes.

[RobertArmin] And then what came next?

[MaryTesta] And, then I was working on March of the Falsettos, and I got my first Broadway show

[MaryTesta] Barnum, I was a swing and an understudy

[RobertArmin] So you didn't get to do March of the Falsettos?

[MaryTesta] No, I left, because I had decided to be an actor in the theatre and I left to do Barnum because it paid more money

[MaryTesta] I couldn't pay my bills on the workshop, 75 dollars a week

[RobertArmin] So who took over for you?

[MaryTesta] Zora Rassmussen, and then other people and then the role was written out

[RobertArmin] Ah hah.  So this was the same role from In Trousers?

[MaryTesta] Yes, Miss Goldberg

[RobertArmin] FranklinShepardInc asks (indelicately):  How old were you when you did In Trousers?

[MaryTesta] Trying to figure something out?

[RobertArmin] Do the math yourself , Franklin.

[MaryTesta] But if you need to know, I was 21/22

[RobertArmin] Fionasdad comments:  As a young man fresh out of college in 1984, I spent all the money I had to go for the day to New York City (from Boston) to see Chita and Liza in THE RINK.  Although I was initially disappointed that Liza would not be doing the matinee I was at, I had the great fortune of seeing you as Angel and have been following your career since the summer of '84.  What were some memories you have of THE RINK?

[MaryTesta] WOW

[MaryTesta] Well, I loved doing that role

[MaryTesta] And Chita, was amazing

[MaryTesta] tough but amazing

[MaryTesta] And, I actually did it for two weeks, the last two weeks of Liza's contract

[MaryTesta] It was great, it was kick ass

[RobertArmin] Terrence McNally was my guest here and he had wonderful things to say about you and your performance.

[MaryTesta] SO happy to hear about that

[MaryTesta] Fionasdad, THANK YOU

[RobertArmin] Going back a bit, RenoSweeneyTodd asks: Did "March" originally have a different plot involving the characters from "In Trousers"?

[MaryTesta] Yeah

[MaryTesta] I kind of can't remember it, but we were still there, and it got refined

[MaryTesta] And it is the wonderful piece it is today

[RobertArmin] I guess that explains the conciseness of the show -- one hour is just exactly right for that show.

[RobertArmin] And of course, it left time for the "sequel”

[RobertArmin] Falsettoland.

[MaryTesta] That's right

[MaryTesta] Which I WAS offered but didn't do

[RobertArmin] fionasdad responds to your earlier comment:  No, Mary, thank you for a wonderful afternoon many years ago that I think of often.

[MaryTesta] That is so sweet

[RobertArmin] Mary's performances generally do stay with audiences.

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd asks:  What role were you offered in "Falsettoland"?

[MaryTesta] Doctor Charlotte

[RobertArmin] fionasdad adds:  My wife is still reeling from her homeless attack on her in NEW BRAIN.

[MaryTesta] LOL

[MaryTesta] Did she give money?

[RobertArmin] Ah yes, I remember now.

[RobertArmin] That was one hell of cast!

[MaryTesta] If she gave money

[RobertArmin] fionasdad adds:  I think she was too scared.

[MaryTesta] She should know, I gave all the money I raised to homeless organizations, and I raised about 70 bucks, just begging change from the audience

[RobertArmin] Did you audition for the cab driver in On The Town, by the way?

[MaryTesta] No, not at all

[RobertArmin] Would have been a good role for you.

[RobertArmin] You were, of course, fabulous as Madame Dilly -- and earned a Tony nomination, as well.

[MaryTesta] Tony Nomination! which was really surprising since it had closed in January

[RobertArmin] You did win the Obie for that

[MaryTesta] I also won an Obie for it. And I also won an Obie for a play called FROM ABOVE, by Tom Donaghy

[MaryTesta] I was over the moon with the Obie and most proud of those two awards

[RobertArmin] And, of course, you also were nominated for a Tony for your Maggie in Forty-Second Street.

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] Fionasdad adds:  Can I also add that I almost pee-ed in my pants when I heard you do your Ruth Gordon imitation on the INFINITE JOYS CD.  Where did you come up with it??

[MaryTesta] I don't know, It just came out,

[MaryTesta] Actually, Jay David Saks, who is the best album producer I have ever worked with

[MaryTesta] told me to ad lib as much as I wanted to and make sure I was on mike

[MaryTesta] for the live recording and they used a lot of stuff for that recording

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd writes: "Infinite Joy" is amazing.  How did you get involved with it?  Were you involved in the original "Romance In Hard Times"?

[MaryTesta] Sort of, not really, I've sung a lot of that stuff, and Bill Finn wrote “All Fall Down” for me

[MaryTesta] I was the first person to sing it.

[RobertArmin] So Bill often writes with your voice in his head?

[MaryTesta] 'Well, I don't know if that is true anymore

[MaryTesta] But he certainly understands his early chicks, Allison Frasier...

[RobertArmin] Yes, he has been very loyal to his favorite artists.

[RobertArmin] Have you had a chance to hear Elegies yet?

[MaryTesta] Yes, I haven't heard the recording. I saw the show.

[RobertArmin] fionasdad writes:  What can you share with us about your journey with Finn?

[RobertArmin] Bill not Huckleberry, I assume.

[MaryTesta] Well, he is a dear friend

[MaryTesta] He is extremely talented

[MaryTesta] I've known him since I was nineteen and I always enjoy collaborating with him

[RobertArmin] Another interesting collaboration, sort of, is you and Whoopi Goldberg.

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] Did you first meet her on Forum?

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] What was that like?

[MaryTesta] It was great working with her, she is the best, absolute best

[RobertArmin] I can just picture you two as buddies on that show.

[RobertArmin] Domina and Pseudolus don't get along that well -- but I'm sure you did.

[MaryTesta] We got along great

[RobertArmin] So when Whoopi went to work on her new TV show, were you invited to participate early on?

[MaryTesta] She talked to me about it about a year ago

[MaryTesta] and then, I recently, in the summer, auditioned for my role, but I did audition

[RobertArmin] Your role, for those who haven't seen the show yet, might be described as Whoopi's smoking buddy.

[MaryTesta] Uh hum

[RobertArmin] Since you both have to go outdoors to smoke, most of your scenes are "on the street."

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] It's a funny bit.

[RobertArmin] And last week you participated in a very Odd Couple kind of poker game.

[MaryTesta] Yes, that was a great episode, my favorite so far

[RobertArmin] I'm glad to hear that Whoopi has been picked up for the whole season.

[MaryTesta] Yeah, IT IS GREAT!!

[RobertArmin] One question I often ask, is what are your dream roles?  What would you like to play?

[MaryTesta] I always say the same thing actually

[MaryTesta] Kate, in Taming of the Shrew

[MaryTesta] Rose Tattoo, the Anna Magnani role

[RobertArmin] That would be a great role for you.

[MaryTesta] I was just a neighborhood lady in my first Equity job of the Rose Tattoo

[RobertArmin] It's interesting that they are both non-musical roles.

[MaryTesta] Uh, HUH

[RobertArmin] In reference to  Whoopi, lemononmylips writes:  i wish i had tv here at college :(

[MaryTesta] AWWWWWWW

[RobertArmin] We're all very sad.

[RobertArmin] fionasdad adds:  Mary, my time has run out.  Peace to you and continued health and good fortune!!

[MaryTesta] Thank you for your kind words

[MaryTesta] And same to you

[RobertArmin] Fionasdad adds:  Thanks for the opportunity, Robert, to speak to Mary.

[RobertArmin] Anytime.  Thanks for joining us.

[RobertArmin] So in response to my earlier question, are there any musicals you're hoping to do?

[MaryTesta] You know, I've worked on so many new musicals

[MaryTesta] It has only been in the last eight years that I have done revivals

[MaryTesta] But I would like to do more leads, I am sick of doing cameos

[RobertArmin] Unfortunately, that's where most of the jobs have been -- in revivals.

[MaryTesta] Uh hum

[RobertArmin] Let's get more new shows!

[MaryTesta] Exactly!

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips writes:  mary, i met you in ny after a performance of 42nd street back in march and i just wanted to thank you for being so wonderfully nice to me. :) i'm a huge william finn nerd and i think i might have blurted that out to you. i simply think you're truly amazing.

[MaryTesta] I think I remember you

[MaryTesta] Thank you for being so sweet

[RobertArmin] We have very sweet people here in Fynsworth Alley.

[RobertArmin] Sounds like a Fred Allen line.

[RobertArmin] I wanted to ask about a show I missed but often hear about --

[MaryTesta] What is that I wonder

[RobertArmin] The Knife.

[RobertArmin] At the Public Theatre.

[MaryTesta] Great, great group of people

[MaryTesta] One of the most fun rehearsal processes, and it tanked

[RobertArmin] Mandy Patinkin, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Mary Gordon Murray, Mary Guzzi and Mary Testa.

[RobertArmin] How did Mandy get in there?

[RobertArmin] With all the Marys?

[MaryTesta] David Hare directed it

[RobertArmin] It's always sounded so intriguing.

[RobertArmin] Mandy has a sex change operation.

[RobertArmin] Unfortunately it didn't succeed and it has become one of those "lost" shows.

[RobertArmin] Maybe it's time for the York to do a mufti.

[MaryTesta] David wrote and directed. Nick Bicat wrote the music and there was another man, but I can't remember his name

[MaryTesta] Oh my, it was really pretty music

[RobertArmin] Cast album anyone?

[MaryTesta] But Mandy made one homely woman

[RobertArmin] I can imagine!!!

[RobertArmin] Is that why he sings falsetto so much?

[MaryTesta] I really don't know, can't answer that

[RobertArmin] What was Marilyn - An American Fable like?

[MaryTesta] That was hard

[MaryTesta] because half, well, first of all there were twenty writers on the show

[MaryTesta] half of the creative team was from LA the other half New York

[MaryTesta] and the sensibilities clashed

[MaryTesta] But again, there was a great group of people, cast wise

[RobertArmin] You know, I think I may have seen it.

[RobertArmin] I know I saw something about Marilyn, but sorry to say it is gone from memory.

[MaryTesta] Tanked, another one that tanked

[RobertArmin] Didn't get to see Got To Go Disco, but what the hey.

[MaryTesta] Yeah, neither did I

[MaryTesta] I guess some things are better left unseen

[RobertArmin] Let's talk about Tartuffe -- the production in the park.

[MaryTesta] Oh, Tartuffe was fantastic

[MaryTesta] Great group of people, wonderful director

[MaryTesta] great experience

[MaryTesta] Working in the Park is always fun

[MaryTesta] 'like adult camp

[RobertArmin] A late question from FranklinShepardInc:  Who did you play in Marilyn?

[MaryTesta] Hedda Hopper

[RobertArmin] That must have been a bit of fun.  Did you make any effort to capture the real Hedda?

[MaryTesta] Yes, I did

[RobertArmin] With hats, of course.

[MaryTesta] She had a very distinctive way of speaking

[MaryTesta] but I didn't have that many lines

[RobertArmin] Ginger asks:  Are you friends with Megan Mullaley?

[MaryTesta] No, well, I do know Megan

[MaryTesta] I have met her a couple of times but do not know her well

[RobertArmin] You've been building up some very good credits in film and TV.

[RobertArmin] What are some of your favorite experiences?

[MaryTesta] Stanley and Iris was a great experience

[MaryTesta] It was the last film that Martin Ritt directed before he died and he was a great director

[RobertArmin] That was Jane Fonda and Robert DeNiro?

[MaryTesta] Yes

[RobertArmin] Your other films include The Out Of Towners (the new one) and Going In Style.

[MaryTesta] I just did Tony And Tina’s Wedding this summer

[RobertArmin] What did you play?

[MaryTesta] Sister Clare

[RobertArmin] Do you know that I STILL haven't seen that show after all these years!

[MaryTesta] Tina's cousin

[MaryTesta] Well it is running again apparently

[RobertArmin] And of course, there will probably be a spin-off of your character from Whoopi

[MaryTesta] Oh God, wouldn't that be nice

[MaryTesta] My diner, but I think there are a couple of people in line for a spin off ahead of me

[RobertArmin] It's such a great group of characters.

[RobertArmin] I admire that about Whoopi -- surrounding herself with top comic actors instead of hogging the limelight for herself.

[MaryTesta] Instead of models

[RobertArmin] It only helps make her look all the funnier.

[MaryTesta] That's because she is fantastic and she is not insecure about herself or her talent

[RobertArmin] Ginger:  What is it like working on Whoopi and singing?

[MaryTesta] Do you mean singing in FORUM?

[RobertArmin] She says: Yes.

[MaryTesta] Well, it was great, great, great fun.  Every night was fun

[MaryTesta] Although Megan Mullally did not have a fun time

[MaryTesta] That is a joke

[RobertArmin] Because she wasn't in it.

[MaryTesta] I am teasing

[RobertArmin] Megan is not in Whoopi.  Mary doesn't work with her.  And that is that.

[MaryTesta] LOL

[RobertArmin] That's in response to ginger's question:  What else about Megan Mullally?

[RobertArmin] What is Spit It Out?

[MaryTesta] Spit it Out is a show I wrote with Randl Ask

[MaryTesta] It is a comedy piece where Randl and I play forty different characters

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips asks:  did you collaborate on "in trousers" with william finn as well? (i am listening to it now)

[MaryTesta] Well, yes, I did

[MaryTesta] We wrote all the harmonies

[RobertArmin] If you had a chance to do a solo album -- or with guest stars -- what kind of songs would you want to include.

[MaryTesta] That is funny that you asked

[MaryTesta] I have a solo album that is 85 percent finished and Fynsworth Alley turned it down

[MaryTesta] Said it wasn't what they wanted, they wanted more show music

[MaryTesta] It was going to be a Jerome Records album

[RobertArmin] Before he went to jail

[RobertArmin] A lot of good albums got lost in that debacle.

[MaryTesta] My album is mostly Jazz, rock, pop, rhythm and blues and mostly original music, only a couple of covers

[MaryTesta] But I don't think my album will see the light of day

[RobertArmin] Well, you can always release it yourself through Original Cast Records.  A lot of people go that route.

[MaryTesta] Yeah, well

[MaryTesta] I think it is not the time for it

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips asks:  aahh geez. how could they turn it down?

[MaryTesta] when the time makes itself known, it will happen

[MaryTesta] AHH

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd asks:  What are some of the songs on your solo album?

[MaryTesta] Well, some of the covers are Jimmy Hendrix’ “The Wind Cries Mary”

[MaryTesta] I do cover of “Until The Real Thing Comes Along”

[MaryTesta] the rest of the songs are original songs from various composers

[MaryTesta] contemporary, but not of musical theatre

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd asks:  Who wrote the original music?

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips asks:  is there any finn on the album?

[MaryTesta] Song from Debra Barsha, song from Judy Gold, Rusty McGee, um

[MaryTesta] etc.

[MaryTesta] No Finn

[RobertArmin] Let's take a quick moment to give away a CD with Mary Testa.  How about Lucky Stiff.

[MaryTesta] OK, that sounds good

[RobertArmin] Here's the question:  Mary did an off-Broadway show called Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh.  Who was the comic lyricist whose songs inspired that show?

[MaryTesta] I left right after that show opened to do Scapin at CSC

[MaryTesta] with music by Rusty McGee and starring Stanley Tucci

[RobertArmin] No one knows who wrote Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah?

[RobertArmin] Must be a young crowd!

[MaryTesta] Yeah

[RobertArmin] Or am I very old?

[RobertArmin] Okay, we have a winner!

[RobertArmin] No surprise -- FranklinShepardInc and RenoSweeneyTodd both came in at the same time.

[RobertArmin] They both got the correct answer - Allan Sherman.

[RobertArmin] So, we'll send a copy of Lucky Stiff to both of them!

[RobertArmin] Send your mailing address to fynsworth@showmusic.com.

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips adds:  ah geez.  I feel left out.  I should know these things.

[RobertArmin] Mary has really enjoyed your comments, lemon!

[RobertArmin] Time flies so fast.

[RobertArmin] It's almost time to wrap it up.

[RobertArmin] Are there any new shows or films -- other than Tina's Wedding -- in the future?

[MaryTesta] Right now, just WHOOPI

[RobertArmin] Well, that's plenty, indeed.

[MaryTesta] Thank you

[RobertArmin] It was a real kick getting to spend some time with you.

[MaryTesta] Why thank you, right back at ya

[RobertArmin] I have really enjoyed your work over the last ____ years.

[MaryTesta] And thanks to everyone out there for being interested and supportive

[RobertArmin] RenoSweeneyTodd adds:  Thank you very much for answering our questions and being your fabulous self, Ms. Testa.

[MaryTesta] AHHH

[RobertArmin] And he hopes to see you perform again soon.

[MaryTesta] My pleasure

[RobertArmin] As do we all.

[RobertArmin] My guest next week is the fabulous lyricist of Bye Bye Birdie and Applause!  Lee Adams.

[RobertArmin] Join us then.

[RobertArmin] lemononmylips adds:  Thank you very much for answering our questions and being your fabulous self, Ms. Testa.

[RobertArmin] Oops, that should have read

[RobertArmin] "thank you immensely, mary. you're a constant source of inspiration."

[MaryTesta] AWW

[RobertArmin] And I should add that you can all visit Mary's website at MaryTesta.com.  What a clever name.

[MaryTesta] Yeah

[RobertArmin] Good night everyone.

[MaryTesta] Goodnight and keep watching and listening

FYNSWORTH ALLEY        ROBERT ARMIN