Transcript of Robert Armin's
online chat with
Jonathan Freeman (February 9 , 2004)

[RobertArmin] Good evening and welcome to the Fynsworth Alley chat room.

[RobertArmin] Tonight my guest is a popular Broadway favorite, character actor Jonathan Freeman.

[RobertArmin] You may have seen him in the recent revivals of 42nd Street or On the Town or She Loves Me (for which he was nominated for a Tony Award)

[RobertArmin] Also How To Succeed in Business, A Class Act (at Manhattan Theatre Club only) and Platinum!

[RobertArmin] Platinum with Alexis Smith...

[RobertArmin] That's enough to get started.

[RobertArmin] Good evening, Jonathan.

[JonathanFreeman] Hi, Robert

[JonathanFreeman] This is weird...

[RobertArmin] It's a bit weird because Jonathan doesn't type.  And at the moment I am typing for both of us...

[JonathanFreeman] My secretary didn't show up!

[JonathanFreeman] Yet

[RobertArmin] Jonathan, one thing that keeps you busy a lot is your voice over work.

[RobertArmin] You have been the voice of Jafar in both the movie and the TV series of Aladdin and many other shows.

[RobertArmin] What is the experience like doing voice only for cartoons?

[JonathanFreeman] It's pretty much the same as preparing for any other project.

[JonathanFreeman] Except with animated stuff, in the best of circumstances, you have an image to begin with of the character, so it's a bit like having a springboard -- you just fill in the blanks

[JonathanFreeman] In the case of Jafar, you have only to look at his opiated, drug-addicted eyes, heavy lids, curling lips, long sunken face

[RobertArmin] Opiated eyes in a DISNEY FILM!!!

[RobertArmin] Hmmmm

[JonathanFreeman] and it's pretty easy to come us with something.

[JonathanFreeman] Well, yes, they didn't tell me that, but if you look at the original sketches, it was all there

[JonathanFreeman] And then there's a brief moment in Jafar's rooms when the camera is tracking across the room and you see a hookah burning next to his stack of cushions where he has been reclining

[JonathanFreeman] and you see the smoke from the hookah wafting across the room...

[JonathanFreeman] so what do you think, Robert?

[RobertArmin] I am reminded of when they censored a Mighty Mouse cartoon because he sniffed a flower and some people claimed it was drug related!

[JonathanFreeman] Oh come on!

[RobertArmin] It's true.

[RobertArmin] But let's get to Broadway.  If any one has any questions feel free to jump in.

[RobertArmin] What was your first Broadway or New York show?

[JonathanFreeman] My first New York show was a production of The Miser off Broadway in 1972.

[RobertArmin] Where was that?

[JonathanFreeman] At the Greenwich Mews, which no longer exists.

[RobertArmin] And your first Broadway show?

[JonathanFreeman] That was Sherlock Holmes with the RSC Company.  I took over when the Americans came in.  I was doing it with Clive Revill, John Neville and then, finally, Robert Stephens at the end... who I thought was sensational.  I really loved working with him.

[JonathanFreeman] And unfortunately, I can't remember who was playing Moriarty.  His name has gone out of my head.

[RobertArmin] evebarbaraella asks:  Jonathan, have you played Captain Hook again since you graduated from OU? (My favorite that you performed there.)

[JonathanFreeman] Who are you?

[JonathanFreeman] Reveal yourself.  Oh, my mysterious lady?

[RobertArmin] Of course, you did play Hook on the Peter Pan album available from Fynsworth...

[JonathanFreeman] And I did it in 1997 at the Austin Musical Theatre

[RobertArmin] Who was your Peter Pan?

[JonathanFreeman] Kristi Lyons.

[JonathanFreeman] We had just finished doing How To Succeed together.

[JonathanFreeman] She stood by for Megan Mullalley and Sarah Jessica Parker.

[RobertArmin] That's a great role for you.  Have you been in contact with Cathy Rigby's company.  I know they are planning one last tour.

[JonathanFreeman] I went in and met them the last time they went into production but I'm not sure that they liked me.

[JonathanFreeman] The first thing I wanted to know was why they weren't doing “Mysterious Lady”...

[JonathanFreeman] and they said that kids hated it.

[RobertArmin] And of course, Cathy probably couldn't sing it.

[JonathanFreeman] I'm sure she could sing it.  It's a joke. It's a fake coloratura and that's part of the fun of it

[RobertArmin] Of course, it made more sense with Mary Martin though, because Jule Styne was purposely taking advantage of Mary's high voice that she seldom got to use.

[RobertArmin] It is a bit silly having a boy sing in an operatic moment

[JonathanFreeman] True, but even a real boy would be great at it

[JonathanFreeman] And the thing is, it's the only time the two have a number together and THAT'S why kids love it.

[RobertArmin] It is amazing that that IS the only song they have together.

[RobertArmin] In answer to your earlier question, evebarbaraella says: A former classmate of yours. We did a scene from "Liliom" for acting class.

[JonathanFreeman] Are you sure?

[JonathanFreeman] Liliom?

[JonathanFreeman] A former classmate?  Hmmmm

[JonathanFreeman] I guess I'm too old, I'm drawing a blank.  She probably hates me now.

[RobertArmin] Ah, who could hate you?

[RobertArmin] Well, welcome, Eve.

[RobertArmin] You've got Jonathan thinking...

[JonathanFreeman] I'm stumped.

[RobertArmin] evebarbaraella adds:  Actually it's Barbe.

[JonathanFreeman] Like the doll?

[RobertArmin] a living one, I'm sure

[RobertArmin] FranklinShepardInc asks:  Mr. Freeman, I love you on the Collette Collage CD - did you ever get a chance to do that on stage?

[JonathanFreeman] No, but I loved working on it.

[JonathanFreeman] And I loved working with Schmidt and Jones.  They were unbelievably nice to me.  And I got to sing a duet with Judy Blazer, so that was thrilling for me.

[RobertArmin] Both Judy and Tom Jones have been chat guests here.  They're both terrific people.

[RobertArmin] I'm still hoping to get Harvey Schmidt... I should get around to asking him  (that might help)

[RobertArmin] evebarbaraella adds:  Sort of. Actually I was in "The Mirrorman" at OU and played the doll.

[JonathanFreeman] I have no clue what The Mirrorman is.  Are you sure you don't have me mixed up with someone else?  What the hell is The Mirrorman?

[RobertArmin] Well, you made a career out of many hit Broadway revivals, but what are your favorite shows that you got to create from scratch?

[RobertArmin] You were in A Class Act at Manhattan Theatre Club where you played Lehman Engel.

[RobertArmin] When the show went to Broadway, unfortunately, you went to 42nd Street.

[RobertArmin] Unfortunate for A Class Act, but not for 42nd Street.

[JonathanFreeman] That's very kind of you.

[RobertArmin] Think nothing of it.

[JonathanFreeman] It was really a financial consideration at the time.

[JonathanFreeman] I had had a couple years of making "art" and I needed to be sure I could make some money

[JonathanFreeman] and that's really all it was...

[JonathanFreeman] I was really fond of playing Lehman Engel.

[JonathanFreeman] And was sorry not to go on with it.

[RobertArmin] Fortunately, the cast album was made of the off-Broadway cast, so you are preserved in wax (?).

[JonathanFreeman] The other show that didn't work out in the end, but I am still convinced was a very good play...

[JonathanFreeman] was An Empty Plate at the Cafe Du Grand Boeuf with George Wendt and directed by John Rando at Primary Stages

[JonathanFreeman] I had done it originally two years before at the Berkshire Theatre Festival

[JonathanFreeman] I loved that character of Claude

[JonathanFreeman] It seems that a lot of the new stuff I've done kind of flounders and evaporates

[JonathanFreeman] I did a play in 1989 by Eric Overmeyer called In A Pig's Valise

[JonathanFreeman] directed by Graciela Daniele

[RobertArmin] flyinghand adds:  How about Zoot Alor

[RobertArmin] Which was Jonathan's character in In A Pig's Valise.

[JonathanFreeman] I loved that character.  That was a crazy character.  He taught fake French accents

[JonathanFreeman] That was what he did.  He didn't teach French, he taught French accents

[JonathanFreeman] It was with Nathan Lane, Reg Cathay

[RobertArmin] flyinghand adds:  You were magnifique

[JonathanFreeman] I can't believe that anyone even remembers that character.  It was so bizarre.  He was really around the twist.

[JonathanFreeman] In fact, Nathan used to say he was going to call the ozone police on me.

[JonathanFreeman] Because of the amount of hairspray used to get all my hair up to do this play

[JonathanFreeman] We have to get off this play, it was so long ago.

[RobertArmin] I'm having a bit of trouble adding some of your questions

[RobertArmin] A bit of trouble with the keyboard but I'll have it in a moment.

[RobertArmin] Several people have asked what you are working on now.

[JonathanFreeman] I just started a new character for a Disney series called "AMERICAN DRAGON".

[JonathanFreeman] My character's name is Eli Pandarus.

[JonathanFreeman] And, I'm in development with a project I am very excited about.

[JonathanFreeman] Not just for me and my partners but for New York City as well

[JonathanFreeman] It's called the Flexitoon Puppet Theatre

[JonathanFreeman] If you think about it, NYC is the cultural capital of the world, I think, and it has everything

[JonathanFreeman] sometimes 1,000 of everything

[JonathanFreeman] except it doesn't have a puppet theatre

[RobertArmin] There used to be a nice puppet theatre in Central Park...

[JonathanFreeman] That is to say, a permanent professional repertory puppet theatre, like Salzburg, Prague, the Bunraku,

[JonathanFreeman] etc.

[RobertArmin] I see what you mean

[RobertArmin] So is this on TV or live?

[JonathanFreeman] No, this is a live theatre

[JonathanFreeman] I've been working with Flexitoon puppets for over twenty years

[JonathanFreeman] on award winning television shows, like Shining Time Station, and the Flexitoon Puppet Theatre is basically something we have been waiting to do most of our lives

[RobertArmin] Do you perform live or is your voice pre-recorded?

[JonathanFreeman] We perform live.

[RobertArmin] Are you a puppeteer, too?

[JonathanFreeman] Yes

[JonathanFreeman] Yes, when I first moved to NY in the early 70's I was in residence at the Bil Baird Marionette Theatre

[RobertArmin] Oh, that's so great.

[JonathanFreeman] and that is where I first met one of my partners for Flexitoon

[JonathanFreeman] Her name is Olga Felgamacher

[JonathanFreeman] probably the best marionette puppeteer in the United States, at least.

[RobertArmin] This was something I didn't know about you.  That's how I first got interested in show biz -- as a puppeteer

[JonathanFreeman] I think a lot of people get into show business the same way.

[RobertArmin] I started with marionettes and moved into ventriloquism when I was 11.

[JonathanFreeman] One of our other partners, Craig Marin, also started as a kid with puppets

[RobertArmin] And then into acting.

[JonathanFreeman] Craig is a great ventriloquist and puppeteer and is really the creative "HEAD" of Flexitoon.

[RobertArmin] carmel writes:  i read somewhere you guys did Shining time station

[JonathanFreeman] I just mentioned that

[JonathanFreeman] We did it for six seasons

[RobertArmin] Sorry, that question was posted before you said that, but I was slow in transferring it... my bad.

[JonathanFreeman] In addition to Shining Time Stations Specials and several other specials and pilot projects for various networks

[JonathanFreeman] but we kind of burned out on TVLand

[JonathanFreeman] And have been dying to get back to live puppet theatre

[JonathanFreeman] Flexitoon Puppet Theater will be a brand known for it's quality and content.

[RobertArmin] Now that sound like a promotional announcement if I ever heard one!

[JonathanFreeman] We're planning on our season having shows for families, kids, and I want to do an adult puppet show like at midnight on Friday and Saturdays

[RobertArmin] evebarbaraella asks:  Will we ever see you in "Remember WENN" on video? I was so disappointed when that show went off the air.

[JonathanFreeman] I don’t know

[RobertArmin] There's talk about Rupert Holmes creating a stage musical version of the show.

[RobertArmin] But he's got so many projects going at once.

[JonathanFreeman] Tell him to hurry, will someone please tell him to hurry

[JonathanFreeman] I'd love to work with him again

[RobertArmin] He is one of the true Renaissance men of theatre and TV and music, etc.

[RobertArmin] Amazing talent

[JonathanFreeman] What he said!

[RobertArmin] sopbroadway:  i just got to this chat, has someone asked how you got started in voice over work?

[JonathanFreeman] Ummm! I guess the first stuff that I did was for commercials

[JonathanFreeman] I did some animated voice overs for an early pilot in 1972.

[JonathanFreeman] Called unfortunately the DIPSY DOODLE SHOW

[JonathanFreeman] And I did a lot of puppet voices of course at Bil Baird's Theatre

[JonathanFreeman] and he always had TV stuff and film stuff going on too

[JonathanFreeman] So, puppet stuff is sort of like doing a voice over though you're also activating the character.

[RobertArmin] I guess we should talk a bit about some of your recordings... self serving message here.

[RobertArmin] There's a new recording with Nathan Lane of the score of Sherry, a flop musical version of the The Who Came to Dinner, written by James Lipton of Actors Studio fame.

[RobertArmin] However, the definitive recording of the title song, Sherry, was actually performed by YOU and Christine Baranski here on our Unsung Musicals recording

[JonathanFreeman] In 1993

[RobertArmin] Yes.  And it is probably one of my ten most favorite recordings of a lost Broadway song!

[RobertArmin] That one track is probably what inspired the new recording.

[JonathanFreeman] You're very kind.

[JonathanFreeman] I loved working on it. And,

[JonathanFreeman] at the time, his daughter, George Kaufman’s daughter, Ann Kaufman Schneider, asked me if I would like to do a production some time

[JonathanFreeman] Actually, it was at Bobby Lewis's 80th Birthday party

[JonathanFreeman] And, I said, I'd love to.  Why isn't it ever done?

[JonathanFreeman] And she gave me a very complicated history about Clive Revill having a lot of problems out of town

[RobertArmin] And, of course, George Sanders before that.

[JonathanFreeman] That's right, he replaced George

[RobertArmin] When I was at BMG I discovered that they still had the artwork for both the George Sanders cast album and the Clive Revill cast album, but of course neither ever got made.

[JonathanFreeman] I know, it is a shame because I think it is such a great play

[JonathanFreeman] I can't imagine that an adaptation couldn't be made successful.

[RobertArmin] Let's take a moment to give away a free CD.

[RobertArmin] We have a special Broadway Valentine album that we'll give away first.

[RobertArmin] So, Jonathan, have you a trivia question we can ask?

[JonathanFreeman] Ok, ok this is fun

[JonathanFreeman] Ok, since it is for valentine's day

[JonathanFreeman] Does anyone know, who played the part that I played in She Loves Me originally, that is to say the original head waiter at the Cafe Imperiale?

[RobertArmin] That's a toughy, but I think I know

[JonathanFreeman] It's a man that I met years earlier in 1981 when I was playing Hubert, the valet, to the valet of the Student Prince, played by Jack Gilford.

[JonathanFreeman] And, this guy was also in The Student Prince and one of Jack Gilford's best friends.

[RobertArmin] We've had two wrong answers.

[RobertArmin] Ah hah!

[RobertArmin] FranklinShepardInc comes through again!

[RobertArmin] Woody Romoff

[RobertArmin] We'll send you the Broadway Valentine album.

[JonathanFreeman] Franklin, do you know who Woody's brother is?

[RobertArmin] sopbroadway mentioned Jack Cassidy, but Cassidy played Kodaly.

[RobertArmin] Yes, I met him when I was directing Say, Darling.

[JonathanFreeman] Colin Romoff, a well known conductor, musical director and great friend to the Loesser family

[RobertArmin] I posted my answer before you posted your statement.  I meant I met Colin Romoff --

[RobertArmin] who appeared in Say, Darling with Peter Howard as a backup musician for Vivian Blaine.

[JonathanFreeman] He is a character, too.  And Woody has a nephew who is a bass player who was in the orchestra of On The Town, the Broadway revival I did.

[JonathanFreeman] I hope I'm not wrong about that.

[RobertArmin] Franklin adds:  I never heard of Colin Romoff! You learn something everyday.

[RobertArmin] flyinghand writes:  Please ask Jon if he ever worked at the Mutual Media Broadcasting System when he was a kid.

[JonathanFreeman] LOL

[RobertArmin] He's still laughing

[JonathanFreeman] What was the question?

[JonathanFreeman] No, but I spent many happy hours watching the Captain Kevin Show that was produced by the Mutual Media Broadcasting System

[JonathanFreeman] Who are these people?

[RobertArmin] We have many mysterious people from your past...

[RobertArmin] Jonathan Freeman, this is your life!

[RobertArmin] flyinghand says his name is Howard Bacaaazeo

[JonathanFreeman] Howard Bacaazeo is a very important film archivist.

[JonathanFreeman]  This is crazy.

[RobertArmin] You are a popular guy, Jonathan

[RobertArmin] sopbroadway writes:  do you study voice, as in singing lessons?

[JonathanFreeman] Yes,

[JonathanFreeman] I'm always studying with someone, always coaching material.

[JonathanFreeman] trying to find things that no one has ever sung before for auditions.

[RobertArmin] evebarbaraella asks:  Do you still keep in touch with Helene Leonard and her family?

[JonathanFreeman] Yes

[JonathanFreeman] I'm on the board of directors for STAGES since 1994 which is a not-for-profit children's theatre on LI

[RobertArmin] Long Island

[RobertArmin] Why don't we give away another CD

[JonathanFreeman] Let's give away PETER PAN, yeah

[RobertArmin] Yeah, you play Captain Hook on that one.

[RobertArmin] Why don't we ask a simple one this time.

[JonathanFreeman] Who played the lead in the 1999 concert version of SAIL AWAY?

[RobertArmin] Now that should be pretty easy.

[RobertArmin] She was the only person to ever play the role, I think.

[RobertArmin] carmel has the answer.

[RobertArmin] Elaine Stritch

[RobertArmin] And the London cast recording is, of course, available right here.

[RobertArmin] carmel, send your name and address to Fynsworth@showmusic.com and we'll send you the Peter Pan compilation.

[RobertArmin] Before we wrap this, are there any roles that you would to play in the future?  Or any particular roles you haven't mentioned from the past?

[JonathanFreeman] I am dying to play something brand new, as always.

[JonathanFreeman] I would love to do Claudius in FORTINBRAS again

[RobertArmin] You were in the original world premiere production.

[JonathanFreeman] I'd love to play Hook again before I get too old.

[RobertArmin] Well, you're a young man.

[RobertArmin] With a loooooong career ahead of you.

[RobertArmin] Thank you so much for joining us tonight.  I'm not sure who my guest next week will be... But stop by and visit.

[RobertArmin] Jonathan, let's keep in touch, you're doing some very interesting projects.

[JonathanFreeman] Thanks, Robert, thanks for having me.  It's been a pleasure.

[RobertArmin] Good night everyone.  See you soon.

[JonathanFreeman] Wait, let me give you my website address: it's www.jonathan-freeman.com

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